The comments by the top military commander of the self-proclaimed "Donetsk People's Republic" suggest the separatists had shot down the Malaysia Airlines plane by mistake, believing it was a large Ukrainian army transport plane.
"We just downed an An-26*** near Torez. It is down near the Progress mine," said the VK page attributed to Igor Strelkov, which is frequently quoted by Ukrainian media.
The rebels shot down another An-26 in rebel-held eastern Ukraine on June 14, killing 49 government servicemen.
"We had warned (the Ukrainian armed forces) not to fly in 'our sky'," Strelkov says in the post.
"And here is a video confirming that a 'bird fell'," said the post.
- The website then provides a link that is identical to that published by Ukrainian media in reports about the Malaysia Airlines jet.
- AFP/de
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asiapacific/rebel-site-suggests/1269876.html
17/7/14
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Malaysia Airlines passenger plane reported crashed in Ukraine (with 295 people on board)
Russian jets shoot down Ukrainian warplane over Ukraine (Russia's defence ministry declined to comment)
Self-defense fighters downed two Ukrainian strike aircraft (Donetsk People's Republic)
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DNR leaders ready to allow int’l specialists to investigate plane crash...
ReplyDeleteThe leaders of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic (DNR) said they were ready to allow international specialists to investigate the crash of the Malaysia Airlines Boeing-777 passenger plane in Ukraine, DNR parliament speaker Denis Pushilin told ITAR-TASS.
“We are ready to let an international commission in for a more thorough and faster investigation of the tragedy,” he said.
The DNR prime minister’s spokesperson Sergei Kavtaradze said “militias have no weapons that could have shot down a plane at an altitude of 10,000 metres. We have man-portable air defense systems which can shoot down at altitudes no more than 3-4 kilometres”............http://en.itar-tass.com/world/741225
17/7/14
Crash du vol MH17 : «Les Ukrainiens ne disposent pas des missiles pour abattre un tel avion»...
ReplyDeleteINTERVIEW - Pierre Servent, expert militaire, explique que ni les forces ukrainiennes ni les séparatistes pro-russes ne détiennent actuellement des missiles capables d'abattre un avion en vol. En revanche, les Russes disposent de telles armes dans leur arsenal.
LE FIGARO - Est-ce que les forces ukrainiennes détiennent actuellement le type de missile capable d'abattre un avion en vol à 10.000 mètres du sol?
Pierre SERVENT - L'avion volait à 10.000 mètres, il faut donc que les armes aient une portée encore supérieure pour pouvoir l'atteindre puisqu'un tir ne se fait jamais à la verticale. Or, les Ukrainiens ne disposent pas de ce type de missiles. A priori, les séparatistes utilisent des missiles sol-air de courte portée, qui ne peuvent aller que jusqu'à 5000 mètres.
Qui est en possession de telles armes dans la région?
Les Russes détiennent ce qu'il faut. Leurs missiles peuvent aller jusqu'à 45.000 mètres et atteindre aisément l'espace aérien ukrainien. Et la situation est particulièrement tendue puisque Kiev accuse la Russie d'avoir déjà abattu deux avions ukrainiens cette semaine.
Connaît-on d'autres cas où un pays aurait abattu un avion de ligne étranger?
En 1988, un bâtiment militaire américain avait abattu un avion de ligne iranien. Si le tir russe était avéré, il s'agirait du même type d'erreur.
http://www.lefigaro.fr/international/2014/07/17/01003-20140717ARTFIG00367-crash-du-mh17-les-ukrainiens-ne-disposent-pas-des-missiles-pour-abattre-un-tel-avion.php
L'avion du président de Russie Vladimir Poutine aurait pu être la cible d'un missile ukrainien sol-air ou d'un missile tiré par un avion de guerre ukrainien qui a abattu le Boeing 777 de Malaysia Airlines, communique une source dans l'Agence fédérale russe du transport aérien...
ReplyDeleteL'avion de Poutine a croisé le Boeing malaisien dans le ciel de Varsovie à une altitude de 10 100 m. L'avion présidentiel y est passé à 16H21 heure de Moscou et le Boeing à 15H44 heure de Moscou.
Selon la source, les contours des deux avions pouvaient ête confondus et les couleurs étaient pratiquement identiques à une grande distance.
Lire la suite: http://french.ruvr.ru/2014_07_17/274769316/
Crash of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 in Eastern Ukraine (Press Statement
ReplyDeleteJohn Kerry
Secretary of State
Washington, DC
July 17, 2014)
We are horrified by the crash of Malaysia Airlines flight MH17. There are no words adequate to express our condolences to the families of the nearly 300 victims. We offer our sympathies and support to the Governments of Malaysia and the Netherlands at this difficult time, as well as to all those whose citizens may have been on board. We are reviewing whether any American citizens were aboard the flight. The United States Government remains prepared to assist with a credible, international investigation any way we can, and we will continue to be in touch with all relevant partners as we seek the facts of what happened today.
http://www.state.gov/secretary/remarks/2014/07/229440.htm
Pro-Russian separatists agree to assist inquiry into Malaysia Airlines crash...
ReplyDeletePro-Russian separatists in Ukraine have agreed to provide assistance in investigating the crash of the Malaysian Airlines plane and will ensure safe access for international experts visiting the site, the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe has said.
The OSCE, in a statement on its Internet site, said a contact group of senior representatives from Ukraine, Russia and the OSCE held a video conference with the separatists, who pledged to co-operate with Ukrainian authorities in the investigation..................http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0718/631526-malaysia-airlines-ukraine/
Brazil president urges to be cautious in commenting Malaysian jet crash in Ukraine...
ReplyDeleteBrazilian President Dilma Rousseff urged to be careful in commenting the circumstances of the crash of a Malaysian passenger jet in Ukraine’s eastern Donetsk region, since so far there is no verified information.
“First, it should be established what really happened,” she said. “The Brazilian government will give no assessments until the circumstances are clear.” The issue, in her words, is too serious and needs to be tackled cautiously..................http://en.itar-tass.com/world/741258
The United State on Thursday called for an immediate ceasefire in Ukraine to facilitate the probe of a doomed Malaysian airliner....
ReplyDelete"We urge all concerned -- Russia, the pro-Russian separatists, and Ukraine -- to support an immediate ceasefire in order to ensure safe and unfettered access to the crash site for international investigators and in order to facilitate the recovery of remains," the White House said.
A Malaysian flight with 283 passengers and 15 crew members on board crashed Thursday in Ukraine near the Russian border. U.S. officials told media that they concluded the plane was shot down by missiles.
It is vital that "no evidence be tampered with in any way and that all potential evidence and remains at the crash site are undisturbed," White House spokesman Josh Earnest said in a statement.
He called for "a full, credible, and unimpeded international investigation as quickly as possible," highlighting the role of international organizations such as the United Nations and the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) in Ukraine.
The White House spokesman said the United States is "shocked" by the downing of Malaysian Airlines Flight 17, and offers its deep condolences to all those who lost loved ones on board...........http://www.china.org.cn/world/2014-07/18/content_32992139.htm
Crashed Malaysian flight not into restricted airspace: IATA ....
ReplyDeleteThe International Air Transport Association (IATA) said on Thursday that it was believed that the crashed Malaysia Airlines flight has not traversed to restricted airspace.
IATA said in a brief statement that based on the information currently available it was believed that the airspace that the aircraft was traversing was not subject to restrictions.
A Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 crashed Thursday in eastern Ukraine near the Russian border, with all the 280 passengers and 15 crew members on board reportedly having been killed.
It was reported that the Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777, which was flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur, started descending 50 km before entering Russian airspace, and was subsequently found burning on the ground on Ukrainian territory.
The plane reportedly disappeared from radar at an altitude of 10,000 meters and then crashed near the city of Shakhtarsk in Ukraine's Donetsk region.
http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/871302.shtml
Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777-200 flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur was allegedly shot down by a group of Russian-backed Cossack militants near the village of Chornukhine, Luhansk Oblast, some 80 kilometers north-west of Donetsk, according to recordings of intercepted phone calls between Russian military intelligence officers and members of terrorist groups, released by the country’s security agency (SBU).....
ReplyDeleteOne phone call apparently was made at 4:40 p.m. Kyiv time, or 20 minutes after the plane crash, by Igor Bezler, who the SBU says is a Russian military intelligence officer and leading commander of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic.
He reports to a person identified by Ukraine’s SBU as a colonel in the main intelligence department of the general headquarters of the armed forces of the Russian Federation Vasili Geranin regarding the shot down plane, which is about to be examined by the militants.
The second intercepted conversation released by the Security Service of Ukraine was apparently between militants nicknamed “Major” and “Greek” immediately upon inspection of the crash site. “It’s 100 percent a passenger (civilian) aircraft,” Major is recorded as saying, as he admitted to seeing no weapons on site. “Absolutely nothing. Civilian items, medicinal stuff, towels, toilet paper.”
http://sofiaglobe.com/2014/07/17/ukraine-claims-to-have-intercepted-phone-conversations-of-separatists-admitting-downing-a-civilian-plane/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=ukraine-claims-to-have-intercepted-phone-conversations-of-separatists-admitting-downing-a-civilian-plane
L'agence Reuters communique, se référant à des témoins oculaires, que les secouristes ont trouvé vendredi la deuxième boîte noire du Boeing malaisien abattu en Ukraine...
ReplyDeletePlus tôt, un représentant du bataillon Vostok a déclaré que les miliciens avaient trouvé sur le lieu du crash près de la ville de Torez plusieurs objets qui pouvaient être des boîtes noires. Selon l'agence, les miliciens ont trouvé le premier enregistreur de vol.
Lire la suite: http://french.ruvr.ru/news/2014_07_18/Boeing-crash-deuxieme-boite-noire-retrouvee-7213/
У США нет подтверждений тому, что ополченцы могли получить комплексы ПВО "Бук" из России. Это признал официальный представитель Пентагона Джон Кирби...
ReplyDelete"У меня нет конкретной информации по поводу комплексов "Бук". Это сложная система, и трудно предположить, что сепаратисты могли использовать ее без, по крайней мере, какой-то поддержки со стороны России", - сказал он, коснувшись катастрофы самолета "Малайзийских авиалиний" в Донецкой области.
"Мы не знаем, кто несет ответственность за запуск ракеты", - отметил Кирби. Он также признал, что у США "нет рабочей версии того, что произошло". По его словам, "катастрофа случилась только вчера и нужно дать возможность участникам расследования сделать свою работу".
Ранее официальный представитель Минобороны РФ заявил, что ни комплекс "Бук", ни какие другие виды вооружений ВС РФ государственную границу на украинском участке не пересекали. "Скрытно это сделать невозможно, - сказал он. - Это же касается и другого заявления официального Киева о задержании двух "корректировщиков огня" комплекса "Бук", якобы являющихся гражданами Российской Федерации".
"Поясняем, что специалисты-корректировщики огня используются только для тех систем вооружений, цели которых расположены на земле", - сказал представитель Минобороны.
Глава Службы безопасности Украины Валентин Наливайченко заявил в пятницу, что перед катастрофой Boeing 777 на территорию Украины из России якобы прибыл зенитный ракетный комплекс "Бук" с экипажем.
http://itar-tass.com/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/1328918